Vimshottari Dasha

Vimshottari Dasha© Copyright Material click SITEMAP. [ Some material on this page is already published original research , which may be cited in part or whole with acknowledgement. ] The Secret Behind Vimshottari Dasha System There are many types of Dashās, ten of which are based on Nakshatras. Vimshottari Dashā is held to be the most important Dashā System in Jyotisha of Vedic-Purānic tradition. Most often, astrologers of this tradition do not even take into consideration other dashā systems and base their conclusions solely upon Vimshottari. Following points must be considered before deciding anything in this regard : (1) BPHS (Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra) never said solar year should should be used for Vimshottari; (2) BPHS clearly said that Vimshottari must be computed from Moon's position and not from Sun's position; (3) Vimshottari year is of 360 days which may have two meanings : lurar year of 360 tithis or savana year of 360 days, but this savana year of 360 days is a later myth with neither any scientific validity supporting any solar cycle of 360 days nor any basis in ancient sisshantas, and (4) the final proof is Suryasiddhantic software 'Kundalee' which must be tested before rushing to conclusions. Vimshottari is the most important dasha system according to all "authorities" , but owing to wrong methods of its computation, it has become less precise ; as a result instead of rectifying their own errors some modern messiahs are giving more weight other dasha systems, some of which are not even mentioned in BPHS. But if ancient method of computation is used, Vimshottari Dasha proves to be to be the most influential dasha system But there are two obstacles which prevent accurate timing of events with the help of vimshottari system. One is the use of Drik-pakshiya mathematics, ie, modern astronomy , for finding true longitudes of planets and ascendant, etc. Second problem is the use of solar year for reckoning, in spite of the fact that all ancient texts explicitly mention that the year of vimshottari system Now. known as lunisolar year. vomshottari period of Venus. Drik-pakshiya world is the phenomenal sensory world . If birth-time is approximately correct. 360 tithis are equal to 354. but even today there are a large number of astrologers in India who refuse to accept computer softwares based upon modern astronomy. yet the vimshottari timings based upon them prove to be far more accurate than those based upon materialist astronomy. then precise birth-time can be fixed. Material planets intruded into astrology only during past one or two millenia. earthquakes. and use traditional almanacs or panchāngas. and few very good or very bad events in the life of a person is known. the timing of events in vimshottari system errs by many years. Saturn and Rahu (lunar node) will vary by 2 years and more. Due to this factor alone. All ancient texts of Vedic-Purānic tradition say that the Grahas of Jyotisha are gods and are diverse incarnations of God. God and gods are conscious entities and it is wrong to conceptualize them as material bodies. Add to this 3% error the difference on account of Drikpakshiya and Saur-pakshiya positions of Moon. Saur-pakshiya world is the non-material world in which deities reside.5 degrees less than that made according to modern astronomy. during solar nakshatra) rainfall data of past 135 years of India have been tested. Burgess. there is a difference of 3% between solar year and vimshottari year. Vimshottari system is based upon lunar nakshatra. It is nearly 1 / 9 of a nakshatra which is equal to 13˚:200 . This software has been tested for natural disasters like floods. and this software is 100% accurate.comprises of 360 days only. which is manifest to human sense organs. ancient Surya-siddhāntic methods have been used in it. Due to these two errors. These traditional panchāngas are crudely made. accurate upto prāna-dashā. like other ancient systems. which is the year of vimshottari system. Indian tradition year is a ccombination of solar and lunar. And then add the 3% error due to wrong year imposed upon vimshottari system. In lunar year. distributed as a freeware for philanthropic purpose. hence its year ought to be lunar. Total annual and fortnightly (actually. It is the material world. there are 360 tithis or lunar days. Instead. The maximum amount of correction made in mean Moon according to Suryasiddhānta is nearly 1. Add to it the difference due to descrepancies between Surya-siddhāntic mean Moon with the mean Moon of materialist astronomy. and thereafter very accurate forecasts can be drawn from this software. Therefore. But this software is not based upon the faulty interpretation of Surya-siddhānta by E. etc and the result is 100% positive. Total error in timing of vimshottari dashās will be over 5 years in .37 solar days. cyclones. highly precise software based upon traditional Surya-siddhāntic system is also in the market. Surya-siddhānta is not a text of materialist astronomy. numerology. Outer planets are on the left side of the upper picture. Left half in upper picture has a deficit of 18 years.modern era. Very few persons are trying to test the Surya-siddhāntic software. etc for satisfying their clients. the difference was greater. we get (Saturn 19) + (Jupiter 16) + (Mars 7) = 42 years and in right half we get (Mercury 17) + (Venus 20) + (Sun 6) = 43 years Total of all 9 planets is 120 lunar years in the vimshottari system. This arrangement is based upon planetary distances. Drik-pakshiya astronomy will lose its charm in astrology as vimshottari dashās will show intolerable errors. In distant ages. sukshma and prāna dashās are almost always in the wrong. By rejecting the only accurate method of astrology. by comparison with planetary positions. and it is interpreted materialistically by materialists. As a result. In 21000 years. I have met persons who refuse to test Surya-siddhāntic software of Phalit Jyotisha named 'Kundalee'. calling Surya-siddhānta to be an outdated and useless work ! Even criminals get a chance to prove themselves. As a result. who will prove to be a loser ? Now let us talk about the design of Vimshottari system. . Arrange the planets according to the plan as depicted in upper picture. Within a few centuries. Omit Rahu. palmistry. In left half. The proof of Suryasiddhānta is Phalit Jyotisha ( predictive astrology) based upon it. Pratyantar. 19% of Mahā-dashās and a much greater portion of antar-dashās are wrong. which are not full planets. but Suryasiddhānta is denied this chance in a materialist age. Drik-pakshiya astronomy gives errors of ± 5 years in timing of vimshottari dashās. Inner planets. Even today. it is wrong to use modern astronomy as a yardstick for testing the reliability of Suryasiddhānta. astrologers take a recourse to other dashā systems. are in the right half of the upper picture. due to the venomous propaganda against Surya-siddhānta by materialists. Ketu and Moon initially. difference between Drik-pakshiya and Saur-pakshiya positions of planets increases by 180˚. Now add up their duration of years as given in the vimshottari dashā system. when differences between mean planets of Surya-siddhānta show minimum divergence from those of materialist astronomy. including Sun. Both halves should have 60 years each. http://firdaria.com/method. for diurnal charts the period begins with the Sun. Saturn. As in the lower picture.e. Jupiter. Venus 8 . In adhyāya 3. Saturn 11. Mercury. by Sage Parāshara. being of 24. vimshottari dashā system ought to start with Sun.html . Ketu. In Vimshottari dashā system full lifespan of a human being is equal to 120 lunar years.4 solar years which. when rounded off. Mars 7. 44 and 48 years respectively. both diurnal and nocturnal sequences in . which is equal to 116. esp.skyscript. there are 7 shlokas which describe three stages in the lifespan of a person. Sanskrit : Paridhi )) from which English word "period" has been derived.which only Rahu can give.such as : http://www.co. the period begins with the Moon. and Moon should be placed alongwith the Sun but not between Sun and any planet ( i. and right half has a deficit of 17 years which only a combination of Ketu and Moon can supply. is same as that given in the Chāndogya Upanishada. Moon. Mercury . Each one has a different time range : Sun 10 years. Thus we get the lower picture of vimshottari dashā system. Mars. Venus. Mercury 13. Rahu and Ketu are omitted. Rahu and Ketu must be placed opposite to each other. Jupiter 12. Venus. Trishtup and Jagati. which are the number of syllables in three important Vedic metres Gayatri.php "Firdaria" is etymologically related to same root (Greek : periodos . " If Moon. Rahu. Jupiter . For nocturnal charts. Total lifespan of a human being is here said to be of 116 years. It is safe to put Rahu and Ketu away from Sun and Moon . In Firdaria system. One question remains to be answered : what is the rationale behind the number of years assigned to different planets in the vimshottari dashā system ? Who will find a plausible answer to this intriguing question ? Non-Indian Variants of Vimshottari System Details about the mediaeval dashaa system Firdaria can be viewed at many websites . Sun. Rahu 3 and Ketu 2 years. Rahu and Ketu. Venus). Since distances from the Sun was the basis of this plan. each planet having same durations. Moon 9. we get the sequence Sun : Moon : Mars : Rahu : Jupiter : Saturn : Mercury : Ketu : Venus which is the sequence given in all ancient texts. Mars. Saturn.uk/gl/firdar. khanda 16 of Chāndogya Upanishada.. Then. although Chaldeans knew it. Saturn. Rahu . known as the Chaldean Order in the West. Mars : ( Diurnal ) : ( Nocturnal ) The nocturnal sequence is same as the diurnal. Moon instead of the Sun. Venus :. Vimshottari seems to be an original system and Firdaria is a derived and consequently a later development.Firdaria system are as follows : Sun. Saturn . you will get the . Saturn. This sequence is also wrongly ascribed to the Chaldeans. Jupiter . Put two triangles within a circle. Mercury. Mars . To put it otherwise. Put Sun + Moon at the apex of first triangle. one placed over the other inversely. Moon . Mercury . and nodes placed between Mars and Sun at the bottom. and then put Mercury and then Venus at other two vertices in a clockwise manner. reverse the sequence. Thus. Moon . Mars . Saturn . Mercury . Mercury . put Mars. Both Vimshottari and Firdaria systems are related to the planetary order Moon. Jupiter. Jupiter and Saturn at the vertices of second triangle in such a way that Mars of second triangle falls between SunMoon and Mercury of first triangle. Following is the Vimshottari sequence followed by reversed Firdaria Sysyem : Sun .. Now. Moon and its nodes have been placed exactly at the juncture of both halves. Venus. Jupiter . Saturn . only the starting poing is different.e. compare this reversed firdaria sequence with the circular design of Vimshottari shown in pictures above. Mercury. excepting the placing of Moon and its nodes. put the planets in weekday sequence around the circumference of a circle and read their names alternately. We get : Sun . Firdaria System sprang from the same source which gave rise to Vimshottari. Moon placed between Saturn and Mercury at the top. You will get the sequence of the weekdays. Mars . Jupiter . If durations of planets are scrutinized. Venus :Vimshottari Sun . Ketu . Rahu . Hence. Sun. if seqience is reversed.Firdaria Now. i. Firdaria Sysyem does not yield the symmetrical arrangement as found in the case of Vimshottari as shown above. Venus. Mars. Firdaria System is same as Indian Vimshottari. Jupiter. Venus Hence. Ketu . In Firdaria System. Jupiter as lord of 3rd and 6th houses is malefic. but if it is situated in . from analysis of past data of 136 years procured from IITM (Pune) is that net result will be nearly ±5% of normal rainfall. But if it is lord of 3rd and 6th houses at the same time. How we should decide when we get which result during the dashās of such a planet of mixed attributes ? For instance. It is wrong to assume that these opposite attributes cancel each other. In individual horoscopes. in 12th house)? The answer I found. whether he/will get through or fail? Or will he hover at the passing point ? For instance. if a student takes appears in an examination during the dashā of such a planet. -VJ ======================================================== ======== Vimshottari Timings for Planets of Mixed Attributes Often a planet is both good and bad. Many persons are confused about malefic and benefic planets. and there I had faced tricky questions. if Jupiter is in moolatrikona in a particular horoscope . similar situations.sequence of planets according to distances. exalted) and bad (eg. how to decide when we get which result? Often a planet possesses both good and bad attributes. it is highly auspicious on account of that. produce different problems. have no aspect and no relation with rain's kāraka). it is highly malefic as well. But places pierced (viddha) by malefic planets in Sarvatobhadra chakra in that region will be badly hit by excessive or scanty rainfall depending upon magnitude of aspect. In rainfall analysis. and places pierced by benefics will be blessed with rains conducive to good harvest. but cause destruction from rains and/or flooding due to their malefic nature. I found that such planets cause excessive rainfall on account of being in moolatrikona. however. I have worked for many years in rain prediction. if other planets do not influence that particular region (ie. What will be total amount of rainfall due to a planet which is good (eg. depression and bad relations with everyone. it will give give good results during prāna-dashā of its friends and bad results during prāna-dashā of its enemies. a person will not become long during MD of Saturn and dwarf during MD of Mercury. It was the worst period in the life of that native. but during Saturn's AD mainly the malefic results of Jupiter were manifest. planets causing MD and AD) are nearly equal upon the bhāva we are analyzing. But during Saturn's MD and Jupiter's AD. . Jupiter's MD gave both best and worst results in the life of a single native. and when its malefic fruits will be reaped ? Rule-I : The answer is simple : during MD (mahādashā) of Jupiter. it is benefic as well. although Saturn was lord of 4th and 5th houses and was therefore auspicious for that native. if such a mixed Jupiter is kāraka of sukshma-dashā. benefic results of both Jupiter and Saturn lied dormant. If any one of them has very strong influence in comparison to the other planet over that particular bhāva. because Saturn. which works only when aspects of both planets (eg. and suppressed the bad effects of malefic Jupiter due to mutual enmity. But the same native failed to get through the examinations just two years later during AD of Saturn. For instance.mooltrikona. For instance. the stronger planet will break the above rule and give its own good or bad fruits in proportion of its strength. things were good for the same native. It was the best period in the life of same native and he excelled in whatever he attempted ! Thus. He could not leave his house for a long period due to illness. This principle works down to prāndashā level. one will get good results during AD (antardashā) of Jupiter's own AD or ADs of friendly relatives. which we must do. a native topped school board exams during Jupiter's MD and Jupiter's AD (pratyantara and sukshma were of auspicious planets too). Jupiter gave its good results during its own AD . Now a question arises : when such a planet will give its good results. because many influences are effective for whole life irrespective of dashā. being an auspicious planet (kendresh plus trikonesh) gave its good results through its yuti relative jupiter. Net result becomes more complex when influences of other planets are also considered. The cause was mutual enmity and conjunction (yuti) relation between Jupiter and Saturn. For instance. It is a general principle. and failed in examinations. and bad results during ADs of enmical planets. If true moon is acurately computed. Solar year is slightly over 365 days. but will err by one year after 32. 8% of mahādashā timings and 70% of antar-dashā timings will be wrong ! Very few persons will have accurate pratyantaras in their Vimshottari tables ! If birthtime true moon is also wrong. Vimshottari is made from lunar asterism (nakshatra). there is a 3. or a student's result is washed away by floods in the board office. As a result. During such an evaluation. Mixed answers will not do under such circumstances. Eg. Hence. Hence its year is lunar. and few people take . Canonical texts strictly define Vimshottari's year to be of 360 days. an exalted planet in 12th mansion must be counted as a normal planet." Prevalent methods of computing Vimshottari dashās contain two major sources of error in timing. ============================================= I said above "Both of above laws work always work perfectly. by two years after 65 years. etc. we have to evaluate the net auspiciousness or inauspiciousness of all the five kāraka planets of five levels of Vimshottari. whether one will pass or fail in an examination. one on account of Drikpakshiya Moon and another on account of wrong duration of 'year' used. As a result. but only when we follow the siddhānta (mathematics) of ancient sages. Vimshottari timing at birth will be correct. but only when we follow the siddhānta (mathematics) of ancient sages. taking into account benefic and malefic properties of each of them. few astrologers use this correct year for Vimshottari computations. Such cases are rare when a patients neither lives nor dies. Unfortunately. Long practice coupled with intuition developed by means of inner purity helps in this evaluation. Lunar year is of 360 lunar days (tithis). Only general outlines are presented here.Rule-II : Now let us consider another problem. only two softwares give the option of selecting lunar year in computing Vimshottari. there will be greater error ! Among all the Vedic softwares I have hitherto seen. and so on. Both of above laws work always work perfectly. In such situations. Suppose we are in a situation in which we an answer in binary language or yes or no.07% error in the length of Vimshottari year.. This is Vimshottari's year. Solar year must not be used for Vimshottari. and relapses in a coma. live or die during a critical surgery.57 years. told me many years ago that all planets start giving results many months before their real Vimshottari timing begins. instead of trying the ancient method of sages. and deities cannot be perceived sensorily. problem : use of Drikpakshiya Moon in Vedic Astrology. Test of the pudding lies in tasting it. hence keeps quiet but uses lunar year in his own computations. according to all ancient authorities. which can be remedied by using Saurpakshiya correctives according to ancient techniques. Let me see what is the reaction ! -VJ ======================================================== ============== The Secret Magic of Vimshottari It is a universally accepted fact that any faultless astrological technique of exact timing of events either does not exist or lies hidden. more serious. but did not know the reason. if a planet starts giving its results 6 months before its computed time according to lunar year. He is one of the most busy practising astrologers of Varanasi and has analysed a remendous number of horoscopes made with the help of all sorts of methods. For instance. although philistine astrologers (nakshatrasoochakas) may declare themselves to be omniscient. former editor of Vishwa Panchānga published by BHU (Benaras Hindu University). he was using solar year for Vimshottari reckoning. But the magnitude of this error remains constant throughout the life of a native. it will be easy to recognize that there is an error of 6 months. Magnitude of this error is different for different persons.advantage of these options ! New theories of predictive astrology (Phalit Jyotisha) are being invented to account for the mismatch in predictions and reality. Grahas of Vedic Jyotisha are deities. in which material objects of sky are believed to be deities. But there is another. but fears that majority of astrologers will become his opponent due to professional reasons. Same is the case with some other reputed astrologers. At that time. Dr Kāmeshwar Upādhyāya. provided we keep true to their Ganita. Now he is convinced that lunar year should be used for Vimshottari reckoning. which results in considerable error in Vimshottari reckoning. sometimes running into years ! How long this wrong Vimshottari year will prevail is a matter of our collective choice. Predictive (Phalita) astrology of Vedic sages is an exact science. all planets will show same error of 6 months throughout the life of that native. Some practising astrologers knew this mismatch in timing. All known methods in Vedic Astrology can be divided into two categories. Hence. as . I have dared to write on this blasphemous topic in an age of materialism. and main problem in second camp is computational crudities of various types. without any conclusive outcome in the favour of any single value of ayanāmsha. like Sri Jyoti Star in the USA and Kundalee in India. On 18 Oct 2005. whiich are fundamental in the curriculum of Vedic Jyotisha taught in Sanskrit universities of India.far as mathematics is concerned : (1) those dependent upon modern physical astronomy and (2) those relying on traditional methods. whose parties were Dr Nagendra Pandey . It proves that even after we get some perfect solution to the problem of ayanāmsha. because a third source of error was never noticed by any practitioner of Vedic Astrology among the computer using guys : hidden Saurpakshiya offsets in Drikpakshiya longitudes of planets. These are ancient concepts. without any conclusive result. all possible values of ayanāmsha have been experimented with during past one hundred years. As far as the first school based on physical astronomy is concerned. there must be other unrecognized errors which must be removed if we want any exact technique in timing of events. Kamlakara Bhatta was the most staunch proponent of this Saurpakshiya mathematics during recent centuries. and Ketaki system had revived these concepts during 20th century. We assume that both these camps take for granted that in mathematics sidereal (nirayana) system is correct and in predictive astrology (phalita jyotisha) Brihat-Parāshara-Horā-Shāstra (BPHS) and ancient texts based on or akin to BPHS are to be relied upon. Many reputed scholars of Sanskrit universities on India have concluded that unless this beejsamskrita (offset corrected) method of Suryasidhanta is adopted. have experimented with various types of Vimshottari years. There cannot be mutually incompatible two correct techniques of timing. an unanimous decision was taken by academic stalwarts from six states of India that all panchangas of India ought to be made according to Suryasidhanta and a committee headed by me (Vinay Jha) was formed to implement this unanimous decision. either both of them or at least one of them must be incorrect. but due to Western hegemony and faith in modern science this ancient system was never tried by any software developer. foolproof timing of events will remain a distant dream. Most of the computer using astrologers might not have heard these esoteric terms. after two days of discussions in a conference held at Sampoornanand Sanskrit University in Varanasi. Both these categories have numerous variants. Major problem in the first camp is astrologically correct value of ayanāmsha. One such source of error is erroneous length of the Vimshottari year. Some software developers. because that is the accepted meaning of Vedic Astrology or Jyotisha. com/viewtopic. 80:02 E) Marriage time : 10:08:2006 at 11:04. Let us explore the timing of marriage of a registered user (cf. Rāshi chart should be used only for determining friendships. but these rules work with perfection only if all the three mathematical offsets are taken into account. etc of planets. Now we come to our main theme. strengths. this traditional method of Vedic Ganita (mathematics). which was simply known as Siddhanta (theory) by all ancient astrologers of India. Following analysis is based on a software (Kundalee) in which all necessary corrections proposed by aforementioned academics have been taken into account. All the rules and echniques used below are well known to all Vedic astrologers. http://www. Some rules must be observed before we proceed. This unanimous decision was implemented and eight panchangas were started in many states of India and a horoscope making Kundalee software was also launched. Many astrologers use Rāshi kundali for predictons because it saves time. Predictive work should be entirely based upon the Bhāva-chalita kundali. The beauty and greatness of BPHS cannot be properly fathomed unless we use the Ganita (Surya Siddhanta) of those very ancient masters who created Phalita. based on the same beejsamskrita Suryasidhantic mathematics. a sound predictive astrology is just impossible. Birthtime bhāvachalita (D1) and navamāmsha (D9) kundalis and associated aspect charts are given in following two pictures. Dr Ramchandra Pandey (former HOD of Jyotisha of Benaras Hindu University. Without a sound Siddhānta. Rāshi kundali is circular and therefore all 12 parts are equal. Hyderabad . ascendant and consequent bhāvas are all parts of this solar ellipse. There were 18 ancient Siddhāntas.php? t=58583&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0) according to BPHS and Laghuparashari. aspects.(currently HOD of Jyotisha at Sampoornanand Sanskrit University in Varanasi). Varanasi). of which Surya Siddhanta was lauded as the best by Varah Mihir. and this habit has now become almost a rule ! Ascendant is defined as a point in ecliptic. Nellore (14:27 N. Dr Shukdeva Chaturvedi (former HOD of Lalbahadur Shastri Kendriya Vidyapeetha in Delhi). with some examples. etc. debilities. The latter is elliptical. My aim here is merely to illustrate. Dr Radhakanta Mishra (currently HOD of Jyotisha at KSD Sanskrit University in Bihar). But bhāvachalita kundali is elliptical because its 12 bhāvas are unequal. Birthtime : 17:07:1983 at 19:34. Mathematical discussion of this tricky affair is not advisable here. Hence.mysticboard. Rahu = 6 . Hence. 60) on 7th house : Jup = 51 . Merury resides in 7th house. Sat = 38 . PD = Rahu. Following is the aspects (max. yuti relation with Jupiter is not imparting enough weightage to Ketu in its contention with Saturn as a force to reckon with as .PrD = Merc Let us consider birthtime Bhava-chalita (D1) and Navamasha(D9) charts. Ketu has Yuti relation with Jupiter. Moon = 10 . Jupiter's being lord of 3rd and 12th houses and being merely samagrihi in 11th house is far weaker than exalted Saturn in 9th house with lord of 7th Moon. Ketu = 39 .Saurpakshiya Vimshottari at the time of marriage : MahaDasha(MD) = Jup. But Ketu and Saturn have nearly equal aspect on 7th. marriage took place in Jupiter's MD.SD = Ven. but Saturn has a yuti relation with lord of the 7th house Moon. others = 0. AD = Sat. Firstly. Due to more aspect on 7th house than any other planet. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------This topic is growing too big. but in D9 Jupiter is friendly to Saturn but enmical (tātkālika) to Ketu. In bhāvachalita. Mercury is 10°:34':35'' degrees away from Sun (after applying Saurpakshiya offset in longitudes according to ancient canons). two planets are so powerful for the 7th house that they were repeated in Vimshottari sequence Ineffectiveness of other planets also contributed to this. its Grahas are incarnations of gods. exalted Saturn has yuti relation with Mercury and Rahu. because BPHS explicitly uses the word Lagna for D1. D1 is bhāvachalita and not Rāshi-chart. Since Mercury is combust in bhāvachalita. we find Jāyākāraka Venus as factor of SD and Mercury sitting in 7th as factor of Prāndashā. the latter being further weakened by being placed in 12th house. and made Saturn factor of AD. because all other planets are totally ineffectve. It forced Ketu out of the race. If such precautions are taken. hence it was powerless. Mercury is combust (asta) with debilitated Sun.regards 7th house. Hence it had no effect on marriage. Jupiter is friendly to both Ketu and Saturn in bhāvachalita. hence it went out of the race. Suryasiddhanta is not a text of physical astronomy. and ancient mathematical canon (Suryasiddhānta) defines Lagna as in terms of elliptical ecliptic and not in terms of circular bha-vritta. Such problems should be solved by means of comparison of both types of softwares. in spite of their weaknesses. It is not possible to wipe out Suryasiddhanta in spite of centuries of propaganda against it by Semitic invaders and their intellectual offsprings. resides in 6th and has no aspect on 7th. In D9. Moon in spite of being lord of 7th house had only 10' aspect and in D9 was debilitated in D9. Secondly. measure of error in determination of time of events will gradually reduce. Jāyākāraka Venus is lord of 8th house. and Suryasiddhāntic. Among the remaining. Venus is also not too bad. In the chart of husband of this native. all other planets are totally ineffective in this regard. and is therefore not totally combust. Careful comparison of all planets in D1and D9 with regard to their influences on 7th house should be made by readers to determine the five planets needed for Vimshottari timing. Rahu emerges as the most powerful contender for factor behind pratyantara dashā when we consider the combined effect of bhāvachalita and D9. and therefore its property of Jāyākāraka was not totally destroyed on account of residing in 8th and lacking aspect on 7th. BPHS . popular ones. and its importance has reduced due to three factors already pointed out by me : wrong ayanamsha. and wrong or no longitudinal offsets in planetary positions. and is a part of religion rather than of material science. Test of the pudding lies in tasting it. There are other techniques in Vedic Astrology. Now. Neils Bohr. but the reliability of Phalita (predictive branch of astrology).also holds same views. Jyotisha. Einstein and Schröedinger were believers in God. Astrological Grahas are deities who control lives of creatures. is a part of Veda. being Vedanga. But Vimshottari is by far the most important of all. Reading such arguments. -VJ . But how can we compare the gigantic material forces of Sun and Jupiter with Mercury ? And what is the material force of Rahu or Ketu ? Injecting materialism in astrology is destroying it. the last of them being a staunch supporter of Vedanta who got a Nobel Prize by proving through his Wave Mechanics that material things are mere perceptions and nothing exists in the universe excepting Waves (of Consciousness?) : this is what Badarayana and Shankaracharya taught! My chief concern here is to bring to notice some little known aspects of Vimshottari and of the mathematical aspects of astrology. no one talked of material objects. this offset has begun to increase. 2000 AD was the year of minimum amount of offset in longitudes between Drikpakshiya (physical) and Saurpakshiya (Suryasiddhāntic) planets. and they cannot be propitiated either. Its criterion of truth is not heavenly position of material objects perceived by sense organs. their forces must be material forces. If material planets are accepted to be factors in astrology. and will reach the value of 180° in 23000 AD. Physical planets have no power to control destinies of men and nations. not by merely discussing it ! Kundalee software is free for all. some people start crying wolf about obscurantism. The purpose of this topic is not to assert that Vimshottari is enough for timing of events. wrong length of Vimshottari year. When this offset was considerable. But they forget that all great scientists like Newton. Observatories are things of Kaliyuga.