MA-ASTROLOGY -II YEAR - PAPER- II - LESSON - 9 NOTES PREPARED BY SREENIVAS DESABHATLADIFFERENCE BETWEEN SAYANA AND NIRAYANA SYSTEMS 1. There are several differences between Western and Hindu methods. Western astrologers follow a system of presenting the planets as they are in the sky, which is known as sayana system. Hindu astrologers follow Nirayana system wherein the shift of the earth is taken off called ayanamsha. Earth would not occupy the same position after say, 366 days. As this reference plane There will be a difference of approximately 50" of arc per year. will be changing, Hindus follow fixed zodiac. The time when the two zodiacs coincided (0 degree Ayanamsha) is a point of dispute. 2. There are broadly speaking 3 Ayanamshas, Raman, KP and Lahiri. By my experience spread over several years, I finally decided to adopt Lahiri Ayanamsha - after conducting many observations on the charts, which would remarkably change when different Ayanamshas were used. For convenience sake, the Lahiri ayanamsha found in ephemeris are rounded off. I would rather calculate the desired ayanamsha on an excel sheet and use that in my calculations. Fortunately, some software have provision to make corrections to Ayanamsha. 3. In Hindu system, there are several time scales called dashas. These are sub divided into antardasas (bhuktis). Some of the dashas are: Vimshottari (120 years), Tribhagi (wherein Vishottari periods are divided by 3), Astottari (108 years), Shodashottari (116 years), Chaturvimshottari (124 years), Shatabdika (100 years), Shashtyayini (60 years), Dwadashottari (112 years) in addition to Kalachakra dasha, Chara, Stira, Nirayana-sula Dashas of Jaimini system. Vimshottari dasa that treats the human life span to 120 years is most reliable one and is also widely followed. 4. My rationalist friend (who has kept One Lakh Rupees challenge to astrologers) finds that Astrologers use these time scales to "suite their needs". I would propose an analogy with the transmission of light. Light traveling in a straight-line principle explains how a sharp shadow is formed while the wave theory of transmission explains whom the same light moves to form semi-shadows like the illumination inside the house! Nirayana-sula dasha sees the life in a different perspective whereas Vimshottari in other! Being a practicing Astrologer of long standing, I find that Vimshottari dasha covers most aspects of life. Perhaps, you may like other systems as well. Each period begins with reference to the Moon's position in a certain star. 1 When it comes to mundane charts. the new year beings when the distance between Sun and Moon is zero degree and there should be a full moon in the star Chitra afterwards. the signs (rasis) aspect each other and not planets! My rationalist friend has not thought of this concept as he has gone through Jaimini Sutra.unused. Jaimini system Employs Stira. 8. Hindus have a good tool box and the Westerner's is still primitive. a chart is made for the time when Sun enter the same position as in the natal chart and position of other planets are found out. whereas in the Hindu astrology. Navamsha. But. Election astrology (muhurta) is well developed in Hindu astrology by study of stellar behavior. association etc. There is so much we should learn from our western counterparts.e. the mutual aspect of Guru And Shukra (Both Benefic Planets) is said to be evil one. Astrologer should know when and how to use them. Fiery. The results of the periods and sub periods are got by a study of position. etc. Hindu astrology has well developed methods for Matching Charts For Marriage/ Business Partnership. 180 degree (mutual aspect) is considered as "difficult' (evil) transit. I am not belittling the Western system. In Western system the Annual chart used to find the results of a year from birth day to next birth day is merely a simple mathematical progression of natal chart. in Hindu astrology it is an excellent aspect. Dasamsha. this time scale is not found in the Western system. Even a dasha system is used. But. Divisional charts are derived from the basic chart. mutual aspect is not considered so. not even on Sun! Hindus celebrate new year Ugadi when Sun and Moon are together i. We simply put the board "so-and-so astrology research centre".. 6. in Western world charts are made for a new year which eventually begins at zero hours standard time of a country which is in no way related to planetary movement. are generated by certain rules and these Divisional Charts are used to study a particular branch of life. Saptamsha etc. Hindu system.. and Muhurtha is done with reference to Significators of the natal chart. 10. I am comparing the tool boxes. Followers of Jaimini system as well as Sayana (Western) System are very few in India. In western system. 11. Chara and Sula Dashas and in this system. 9. Earthy. Airy. Here also. so and so In 2 . In Western System there are no such elaborate literature and it is merely aspects formed by the planets with reference to cusp points. untouched but useful to impress others! 12. the Hindu system uses different charts as on birth day.like Dasamsha is used to study the professional front of the native. the transit of planets are considered with reference to the Moon sign. inter relationship.5. the matching is done merely by characteristics of elements of signs like Watery. ownership. In Western System. In my humble opinion. 7. Otherwise tool box becomes a show piece like the big law manuals in my lawyer's office . What research went on by Dr. I found the Hindu method of Transit more accurate. 6. Chaturvimshottari (124 years). Dwadashottari (112 years) in addition to Kalachakra dasha. Chara. No Dasa Systems like Vedic Astrology 3. Even after 25 years of practice. There are several Dasa Systems called Vimshottari (120 years). association etc 5. The Birth sign is the Sun sign and decided as per the date of birth and 5. I can not call myself a research scholar. This time scale is not found in the Western system.D? He was busy matching the charts. 6.Ph. This time scale is not found in the Western system. The name of his studio was very impressive. Star in which Moon is posited becomes the Natal sign which is the starting point 3 . 4. Each period begins with reference to the Moon's position in a certain star. The results of the periods and sub periods are got by a study of position. Stira. 3. Shodashottari (116 years). In Western system there are no such elaborate literature and it is merely aspects formed by the planets with reference to cusp points. Astottari (108 years). 4. Shatabdika (100 years). The transit of all the planets are considered with reference to the Moon Sign. Shashtyayini (60 years). ownership. Nirayana-Sula Dashas of Jaimini system. These are sub divided into antardasas (bhuktis) for Fine tuning. There are several time scales called dashas for Timing of Event. Western System follow Movable Zodiac NIRAYANA SYSTEM 1. 2. I am glad many of my juniors are in research or have already completed SAYANA SYSTEM 1. They use Progressed Horoscope for timing of Events. Tribhagi (wherein vishottari periods are divided by 3). Indian System (Vedic) follow Fixed Zodiac 2. inter relationship. Where as in Indian Astrology the Aspects are between Rasis. whereas Aspects of Natural malefics is bad 12. Aspects of Natural Benefic is Good. But recently some Astrologers combine both the system and use Sayana House Division in a Nirayana Chart and extra saturnine planets. In Western Astrology Trine (120degrees) and Sextile aspects give Good results. Dasamsha. 8 Planets Mercury. Navamsa for Marriage. Regarding Aspects also there is difference. are generated and these divisional charts are used to study a particular branch of life. He avoids quoting without his own comments 8. mutual aspect is not considered so. Jupiter. 12. used in Transit 7. and two Nodal Points called as Rahu and KetuIn Total 9 Planents are used in the Indian Nirayana System for Prediction.A. Aspects are considered between the Longitudes of the Planets 11. 180 degree (mutual aspect) is considered as "difficult' (evil) transit. W.In total 10 Planets are Used in Predictive Astrology.Mars-Jupiter. Venus. Divisional charts which are derived from the Natal Chart like Navamsha. Benefic and malefic Planets are as per Aspect 10. 9. The mutual aspect between Jupiter and Moon is called as Gajakesari Yoga which gives 4 .Neptune. 9. Two Lumineries. He speaks for himself. 10. where as Square Aspect is Bad 11. Mars and Saturn which are considered as Full. doesn't have Varga Charts for narrowing the Prediction to Microcosm.Jupiter-Saturn. 8.SaturnUranus. Waxing Moon and Un associated Mercury are considered Benefic and the rest are considered as Malefic.Month 7.Pluto . There are special aspects to Jupiter. 5 Planets. But recently Some Western Astrologers started using the Varga Charts in a different name as 9th Harmonic Chart 12th Harmonic Chart for Navamsa and Dwadasamsa. Saptamsha etc.Venus. Like Dasamsha is used to study the professional front of the native. Two Lumineries-Sun-Moon.Mars. 13. Whereas in the Indian astrology. Saptamsa for Children etc. There is no mention of the newly discovered Planets anywhere in the Indian system.MercuryVenus. the matching is done merely by characteristics of Elements of signs like Watery. and the Aspect is an excellent one 14. 23. 17. The starting point of the Lagna and other Bhava is the Mid Cusp 22. In Western system Raphael Ephemeris is used 20. But. 19. 13.excellant results. 10th House is considered for Father 16. Hindu astrology has well developed methods for matching charts for marriage/business partnership. In Western system.not even the Sun. Planetary Ownership is given to Outer Planets to Saturn's Orbit.Aquarius Lord is Uranus and - 24. There is no 5 . The day is reckoned from Sunrise to the next day Sunrise in the Indian system. Sun is considered the Soul and the prime indicator of Kala Purusha. 15. 19. 23. the mutual aspect of Guru And Shukra is said to be evil one 14. Planet in their own House is the Strongest 22. The Day and date change from midnight in this system and there is no basis with reference to the Planets. Like Ashta Koota Guna Matching and Dasa Koota Guna Matching. In Sayana System GMT is taken as the basis for calculating the sidereal time. Natural Friendship and enemity between Planets are considered. 18. Lahiri Ephemeris is taken as the Standard one in India. 21. Ex. in Hindu astrology Guru And Shukra are benefic planets. In Nirayana System the Horoscope is casted to the place of birth and is followed for the future prediction though the place of residence is different. Exaltation of the planet is considered as the Strongest. In Western System. 20. Airy and Earthy. No Friendsship or enemity between Planets. Whereas in Indian system Scorpio Lord is Mars. 21. Fiery. Sun and Saturn are natural enemies. 16. Social conditions of different places have a bearing upon the Prediction.Aquarius Lord is Saturn and Pisces Lord is Jupiter. Scorpio Lord is Pluto . Only Aspects are considered as Good and Bad. 9 th House is for Father and Sun as karaka for Father and Moon as Karaka for Mother. Starting point is the beginning of the Cusp. 15. Actual position of planets without any correction is followed in Panchangas with glaring difference in thithis. (May be different from Birth Place) 17. 18. . Not only in astrology in any field.Pisces Lord is Neptune. 25.A. uses Synastry for matching of haroscopes. They don't give much importance to Kuja Dosha. He will say. 28. "My Guru teached me like this but I do not know whether it works". 28. He avoids quoting without his own comments. He speaks for himself. Election astrology (muhurta) is well developed in Hindu astrology by study of stellar behavior. 25. the Hindu system uses different charts as on birth day. a chart is made for the time when Sun enter the same position as in the natal chart and position of other planets are found out. When it comes to mundane charts. Election is done with reference to significators of the natal chart. not even on Sun! 27. mention of the newly discovered Planets anywhere in the Indian system. Mangalik Dosha (or Kuja Dosha) is used to know something about the future Marriage Partner . in western world charts are made for a new year which eventually begins at zero hours standard time of a country which is in no way related to planetary movement. A western astrologer uses the word 'research' with due respect and care. But. Even a dasha system is used 26. the westerner has lot of dedication and tries to achieve near perfection. The W. 24. 6 . or ill placing of planets 27. In Western system the annual chart used to find the results of a year from birth day to next birth day is merely a simple mathematical progression of natal chart 26.
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